Lets Talk HHO Hydrogen Generators

Lets Talk HHO Hydrogen Generators
Ok, I'm looking to see if anyone here has experimented with HHO generators.
I'm not looking for reasons why it won't work, it's snake oil, it's a myth, it doesn't help mileage...
unless you have actually tried & done this. Please don't quote theory & things you've read only
ACTUAL TESTED RESULTS BY YOU!
That said...
I'm looking to start this in hopes that we can get something going to improve the mileage of these STs.
In the very near future I will be constructing, testing, & reporting on my results.
I'm looking for people who can help & give constructive comments.
Like I always say "Don't tell me that it can't be done, help me to get RESULTS!"
Anyone have any experience?

Mythbusters tested that crap on one of their shows about fuel milage myths, it does absolutely nothing.

Now JoeCool, I was thinking the same thing, but he doesn't want that kind of answer. :grin:

Sorry, Cabrera, I have no knowledge in this area. Not a scientist or even very scientific. Keep us posted though. :thumbsup:

OK Naysayers.
I will entertain this one time only cuz I saw that mythbusters episode.

1. Joe, you ain't Mythbusters. :nono: ( I said personal experience)
2. Stone, I ain't a scientist either, I'm worse... I'm retired with a lot on time on my hands! :goofy:
3. Mythbusters busted the fact that car can run exclusively on hydrogen.
4. Mythbusters didn't use baking soda or any electroyte in the water.
5. The reason their car caught fire is that they did not have a separate canister called a bubbler, nor did they have a flame arrestor installed on their rig.

All things considered their setup was dangerous.
On paper I have calculated that I need the generator (which they had) but I will need a bubbler to act as an expansion tank, a Pulse Width Modulator to regulate the electrical current, an a MAF enhancer to basically make adjustments so the trucks computer doesn't increase fuel delivery because it detects a lean condition.
I'm not looking to have my ST run on hydrogen but I am looking to make it a Hybrid using both fuels hence using less gasoline. I'm hoping for 25 - 30 mpg city

Oh yeah and there is an IRS form that will reimburse expenses for making a hybrid vehicle <lol>

So, I will be placing a 1st hand account to my experiment whether it works or not. The big concern is the ECU which will try to make corrections. If I can't get the ST converted, my Beetle may be the next guinea pig!

Trust me. I'm not a "Nay Sayer". I'm hoping you all the best. :thumbsup:

One thing about the ECU and MAF, what about a XCal Flasher? Not sure exactly what all they can do, but maybe one of those guys can come up with a "Tune" that will block all the things that may interfere with the adjustment of fuel delivery. :hmmm:

this idea sounds awesome! :thumbsup:

One thing about the ECU and MAF, what about a XCal Flasher?
I did consider that but then I would be stuck with the modified settings full time. Should the generator not be operational or if I wanted to run on just gas, I could not make on demand adjustments. With a MAF enhancer I could preset city & hwy specs as well as being able to disengage the settings on command to run on straight gasoline.

I'm given this a lot of thought and once I have a realistic configuration that works I will post a project with an inventory list.

In reality I am not doing this to go green, I'm doing this to "GO CHEAP"! :thumbsup:

I see what you mean about the tuner. Good thinking. It seems you have your head around this and keep us posted.

BTW, cheap is good! :thumbsup:

Ok it has begun.

I acquired a tank from someone I met at the Serious Explorations Board (No charge, free, gratis). The design is kind of big (22 inches) but it does have a lot of good stainless and it does work. I will begin my modifications so it will fit my application. At worset case if it does not work I keep buzy, at best I keep some gas money in my pocket. Here are some pix and his video:

http://www.4shared.com/file/119016010/9bbcb633/0718091601.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/119016002/6ca9e65e/0718091601a.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/119016026/59f240c5/0718091602.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/119016022/5e9f84dc/0718091602a.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/119016012/75b2d71f/0718091602b.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roIOC5DhPA0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eexplorerforum%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D217491%26page%3D38&feature=player_embedded

It produces a good amount of hydrogen gas. I will add a flow meter to determine the rate.

pretty cool man, really hope it turns out well.

well, any updates??
Funny you should ask, I was going to post last night but I got lazy. (cuz I'm old!) After some testing I abandoned the traditional "Wet Cell" design for 2 main reasons.

1. Asthetics. No matter how pretty you make it, it still comes to a container filled with water ( & electrolyte) that gets HOT! The engine compartment, as we all know, is not the coolest place on a Trac.

2. Size. The Tracs don't really have much room under the hood. Placing this unit there is difficult. I did find that we have room in front of the radiator, behind the grill. It gets great airflow and it is normally useless space.

Additionally, problems like overheating, current leakage and a host of other dangerous factors make the open bath type impractical.

So that said I build a new "Dry Cell".
It is made with plates that are Precision cut 3" X 7" Corrosion Resistant High Moly Stainless Steel. The plates were cross hatch and rotary sanded and then cleansed in an Ultrasonic cleaner at 40,000 Hz leaving them microscopically clean. The plates were sealed between high temperature 1/16" thick EPDM gaskets. The end plates were manufactured from 1/2" high grade, high temperature Cast Acrylic. The end plates measure only 4-3/16" X 7-3/4". They are held in place with 1/4" X 20 Zink plated bolts.

Next phase is to do bench testing on this unit for capacity. After that I will have to fabricate some electronics to make adjustments to the ECU

SO... in short here it is.

You remember the old wet cell or what Will Smith would refer to as
That old, busted jawn.

I made the new hotness.

Now the fun begins. I will document my experiments and possibly video tape them. My 15 year son old is setting up a U tube account for me so that I can podcast? :wacko: :wtf:
He said I can share the videos with anyone that way.

Man, I feel dumb just reading that. :lol: I'm very interested in the results. Keep us posted. :thumbsup:

Right now I'm in the process of building a pulse width modulator (PWM) to control the amperage that the HHO generator will draw. Voltage is modulated as a series of pulses which results in a sine-like flux density waveform in the magnetic circuit of an electromagnetic actuator. The smoothness of the resultant waveform can be controlled by the width and number of modulated impulses per given cycle.

By using this I can make a 10:1 electrolyte which as is would draw enormous amounts of amps, but I can now control just how much the HHO generater will get from my alternator.

In my signature line I placed a link to a web page which will have photos, schematics, as well as a link to the You Tube account where I will eventually have videos.

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